{"id":1245,"date":"2023-05-03T09:50:58","date_gmt":"2023-05-03T09:50:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/nieuws\/"},"modified":"2023-05-03T09:52:46","modified_gmt":"2023-05-03T09:52:46","slug":"interview-zaza-bibilashvili-from-georgia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/nieuws\/interview-zaza-bibilashvili-from-georgia","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Zaza Bibilashvili from Georgia"},"content":{"rendered":"<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--50 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--66 wrapper__spacing-bottom-mobile--76  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--14 wrapper__width-desktop--20 wrapper__width-mobile--24 wrapper__offset-large--6 wrapper__offset-desktop--4 wrapper__offset-mobile--0\">\n\t\t<h1 class=\"heading   heading__size--giant heading__font--serif heading__weight--regular  block-heading__heading\" id=\"nav-georgia-in-turmoil---now-is-not-the-time-to-depoliticize-1316\"  data-nav-heading-mobile=\"Georgia in turmoil: &#039;Now is not the time to depoliticize&#039;\" >\n\tGeorgia in turmoil: &#8216;Now is not the time to depoliticize&#8217;<\/h1>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--50 wrapper__spacing-bottom-mobile--40  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--13 wrapper__width-desktop--22 wrapper__width-mobile--24 wrapper__offset-large--6 wrapper__offset-desktop--2 wrapper__offset-mobile--0\">\n\t\t<p\n\t\tclass=\"paragraph   paragraph__size--big   block-paragraph__paragraph\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tGeorgia is in danger of falling more and more under Russian influence. This is the result of the Georgian government tearing down state institutions, anti-democratic rhetoric and attacking civil society actors which are safe-guarding democratic values. D66 International spoke to founder of the Chavchavadze Center for European Studies and Civic Education, Zaza Bibilashvili, about the current developments in Georgian politics.\u00a0\t<\/p>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--50 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--70 wrapper__spacing-bottom-mobile--50  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--18 wrapper__width-desktop--22 wrapper__width-mobile--24 wrapper__offset-large--6 wrapper__offset-desktop--2 wrapper__offset-mobile--0\">\n\t\t<section class=\"block-post-content\">\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__title\">\n\t\t<h3 class=\"heading  heading__color--black heading__size--medium heading__font--sans heading__weight--semiBold  block-post-content__heading\" id=\"nav-author1145\" data-nav-heading-mobile=\"Author\">\n\tAuthor<\/h3>\t<\/div>\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__content\">\n\t\t\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--30 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<p\n\t\tclass=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--default   block-paragraph__paragraph\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tVita Verheij\t<\/p>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"908\" height=\"606\" src=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Zaza.jpg\" class=\"image block-image__img\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Zaza.jpg 908w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Zaza-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Zaza-768x513.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 908px) 100vw, 908px\" \/>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption-wrapper block-image__caption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption block-image__caption\">\n\t\t\t\t<p class=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--small paragraph__weight--medium\">\n\t\tBeeld: ICC Georgia\t<\/p>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__sidebar\">\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--50 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--70 wrapper__spacing-bottom-mobile--50  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--18 wrapper__width-desktop--22 wrapper__width-mobile--24 wrapper__offset-large--6 wrapper__offset-desktop--2 wrapper__offset-mobile--0\">\n\t\t<section class=\"block-post-content\">\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__title\">\n\t\t<h3 class=\"heading  heading__color--black heading__size--medium heading__font--sans heading__weight--semiBold  block-post-content__heading\" id=\"nav-foreign-agents-6549\" data-nav-heading-mobile=\"Foreign agents\">\n\tForeign agents <\/h3>\t<\/div>\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__content\">\n\t\t\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--30 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<p\n\t\tclass=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--default   block-paragraph__paragraph\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tAs Zaza joined our online call, he began to explain how he had just witnessed the Georgian Prime Minister, Irakli Garibashvili, declare to the public how he intends to exterminate the internal threat\u00a0that is active in the country. This threat, the prime minister states, is the existence of a rebellious group within society. Garibashvili describes this group as the \u2018fifth column\u2019, which aims to drag Georgia into a war with Russia. Zaza jumps in to set the record straight: \u2018anyone who opposes the government, both in parliament and civil society, risks being called out by the government as part of the fifth column.&#8217;\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>The speech of the Prime Minister was a response to an unstable couple of weeks in Georgia. The streets were filled with protesters in the beginning of March due to a new law that the government sought to implement. The law is identical to an older\u00a0Russian foreign agents law<sup>\u00a0<\/sup>which\u00a0requires anyone who receives support from outside of the country to register as &#8216; foreign agents&#8217;. At that time, this Russian law resulted in a de facto destruction of civil society and free speech in Putin\u2019s Russia.\u00a0If this law gets accepted, the Georgian authorities would have the power to label charitable and non-government organizations as \u2018agents of foreign influence\u2019, thus making it nearly impossible for them to continue operating. As it will expose them to severe social and political pressures.\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>The implementation of the law was explained to the public as a method to prevent foreign countries infiltrating Georgian society. However, the real aim was to neutralize any opposition to the government or criticism of its policies by civil society actors who are funded mostly by EU or US sources. The law has now been recalled, but the intentions of the government and its anti-democratic rhetoric and practices remain a significant problem. \u2018They are not hiding their goals and will surely try to find another way to pursue this anti-democratic Russian agenda\u2019, Zaza explains.\u00a0\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>The Georgian government is heavily under the influence of one powerful oligarch, Bidzina Ivanishvili, who has the ability to translate his personal interests into policy that happens to suit his financial gain. At various times since the end of 2012, high government positions have been held by people with personal allegiance towards the billionaire. \u2018It is a scary landscape for me and anyone that opposes the government.\u2019 Zaza adds. \u2018Ever since the election of the current government it seems they have taken the validity of democratic values and the issues of national security in a rather peculiar manner.\u2019 For example, the government has freed all prisoners who had been found guilty of Russian espionage. Per Russian demands, these prisoners were designated as victims of \u2018political prosecution\u2019 by the previous Georgian government.\u00a0\t<\/p>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"908\" height=\"510\" src=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie1.jpg\" class=\"image block-image__img\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie1.jpg 908w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie1-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie1-768x431.jpg 768w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie1-570x320.jpg 570w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 908px) 100vw, 908px\" \/>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption-wrapper block-image__caption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption block-image__caption\">\n\t\t\t\t<p class=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--small paragraph__weight--medium\">\n\t\tBeeld: DW\t<\/p>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__sidebar\">\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--50 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--70 wrapper__spacing-bottom-mobile--50  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--18 wrapper__width-desktop--22 wrapper__width-mobile--24 wrapper__offset-large--6 wrapper__offset-desktop--2 wrapper__offset-mobile--0\">\n\t\t<section class=\"block-post-content\">\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__title\">\n\t\t<h3 class=\"heading  heading__color--black heading__size--medium heading__font--sans heading__weight--semiBold  block-post-content__heading\" id=\"nav-a-double-game3984\" data-nav-heading-mobile=\"A double game\">\n\tA double game<\/h3>\t<\/div>\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__content\">\n\t\t\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--30 wrapper__spacing-bottom-desktop--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<p\n\t\tclass=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--default   block-paragraph__paragraph\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tWhile human rights and freedoms are being threatened on a daily basis, Georgia is also continuing their efforts to appeal to the European Union, which is an aspiration of many Georgian citizens. The country applied to become an EU member candidate in March 2022, a week after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This is in line with a longer development, since Georgia has expressed interest in collaborative efforts with the EU since 1990s, and became a member of the Council of Europe in 1999.\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>With the current government working its way into Russian territory, they are essentially going against all the mandates and efforts of the EU to resolve the war in Ukraine. Georgian government officials have often stated that providing arms to Ukraine \u2018is not the answer\u2019 and that sanctions against Russia \u2018are not working\u2019.\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>So, is it not fair to assume that Georgia\u2019s current government has no interest in joining the EU? \u2018It does seem to many that the Georgian government\u2019s priority is to pamper Russia, while its steps to get closer to the EU are much like a fa\u00e7ade. The government appears to be playing a clever double game. It presents itself as being open to integrating European values, while at the same time questioning the \u2018interference\u2019 of the EU in the Georgian political system,\u2019 Zaza says.\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>Upon considering Georgia\u2019s application for candidacy, the EU Commission has made 12 recommendations to Georgia as a precondition to granting the country an EU candidate status. One of the recommendations is to reduce polarization in Georgia. However, there is very little polarization among Georgian people about the key issues of national importance. In reality, it appears that people are more united than ever in their collaborative efforts to both speak up against the government\u2019s increasingly authoritarian ways and express their pro-EU preferences.\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>Zaza adds to this: \u2018Now is not the time to \u201cdepoliticize\u201d. Besides, how can you expect us to \u201cdepoliticize\u201d when we face such an Orwellian reality?\u2019\u00a0<br>\u00a0<br>In the meantime, the Georgian government continues to impede civil liberties. While there is still free press, it is under great duress. Zaza tells me the story of a well-known journalist who was sentenced to jail for 7 years for using a private company car for his family. Simultaneously, other news outlets are facing legal, tax or statutory constraints. However, Zaza remains hopeful: \u2018Irrespective of the differences among Georgians, we are united around our main goal, which is to live in a democratic country, with its rightful place among European family of nations.\u2019\u00a0\t<\/p>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<div\n  id=\"\"\n  class=\"wrapper  wrapper__spacing-bottom-large--20  wrapper__gutter--none\"\n  >\n  \t<div class=\"wrapper__container wrapper__container-width-large--default\">\n\t  <div class=\"wrapper__inner wrapper__width-large--24 wrapper__width-mobile--24\">\n\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"908\" height=\"492\" src=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie2.jpg\" class=\"image block-image__img\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie2.jpg 908w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie2-300x163.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d66.nl\/internationaal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/318\/2023\/05\/Georgie2-768x416.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 908px) 100vw, 908px\" \/>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption-wrapper block-image__caption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"image__caption block-image__caption\">\n\t\t\t\t<p class=\"paragraph paragraph__align--left paragraph__color--black paragraph__size--small paragraph__weight--medium\">\n\t\tBeeld: Georgian Journal\t<\/p>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div class=\"block-post-content__sidebar\">\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\t  <\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":35,"featured_media":1248,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"labels":[],"search-tags":[12,8],"class_list":["post-1245","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-d66","search-tags-democratie-bestuur","search-tags-europa"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>D66 Internationaal &#8212; 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